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• Dawn Dacquisto and Matt Pickett • Season 5 • Episode 43

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Today we’re breaking down EVERYTHING we do to keep our sanity during the summer as we wait for football to return. 

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💚🤍💚 Welcome to Hey, We Like Your Pod! — your go-to weekly podcast where we celebrate content creators, highlight the best NFL, Green Bay Packers, and football coverage we’ve personally consumed, and dive deep into the online sports community you love.

Join Dawn Dacquisto and Matt Pickett — girl dad, musician, trombonist, and Packers superfan — every week for a fun, insightful, and jam-packed show that blends sports commentary, creator spotlights, and plenty of laughs. Whether you’re here for the hard-hitting football talk, the Super Superlatives segment where we crown the week’s best takes, or the Origin Stories where we chat with your favorite creators about how they got started, you’ll leave feeling entertained, informed, and connected.

Each Saturday morning, Dawn and Matt bring you a curated roundup of the best NFL, Packers, and football-related content from podcasts, BlueSky, Twitter/X feeds, YouTube channels, blogs and podcasts. They also sprinkle in conversations about other loosely related interests, so you never know when you might discover a new passion or perspective. This is more than just football talk — it’s about building a beloved community where you feel like you’re part of the conversation.

Don’t miss this fun, insightful, and hype-filled conversation to get you ready for kickoff!

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SPEAKER_00

Hello and welcome to Hey, we like your pod.

SPEAKER_04

And we're gonna tell you why. If I can ever figure out what the heck we're doing here, don't ask me where my layout went. Like, what is that on our screen? Can you see that, or is that just my side?

SPEAKER_00

I don't know, Don. I everything was the same to me. So yeah, so just so people know we're dealing with like some weird technical stuff tonight. And so that's why we're starting like a half hour late. And I'm just glad I'm just glad we're here, Don. I'm just glad we're here.

SPEAKER_04

I'm so glad we're here.

SPEAKER_00

Um I'm so happy to be with you tonight, as always.

SPEAKER_04

I am too. There's you know, we could be going nuts because it's the off season, but there's still a lot going on now.

SPEAKER_00

There's a lot going on, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Woohoo! Hi, Iowa Joe. Sorry we're so late. Iowa Joe's usually on us for being late.

SPEAKER_02

He's not on us like really late tonight.

SPEAKER_04

We were here, we just weren't there.

SPEAKER_02

We're there, sure we're not.

SPEAKER_04

Oh, Warden is feeling generous. So, hey, how are you feeling, Maddie? Sounds like you have a little bit of a summer cold, which is yeah, freaking kids are disease vectors.

SPEAKER_00

Oh gosh. Little one came home with a cold, and I was like, Oh, okay, don't drink off my water bottle three seconds later. She's drinking off my water bottle. I'm doomed. I know. Uh, yeah, I've got I've got the snots. You probably hear my voice. Um, but I'm doing my best to soldier through in a time of the year where I have to give a lot of presentations to a lot of parents. Uh not great timing, not great timing. But apart from that, Dawn, I can't complain. Um, things are good here, and um uh just there's been a lot of cool stuff happening at work lately. I won't go to the weeds on that, I'll just say like that's really happy, and like the kids are having a lot of fun at home going to the pool a bunch and doing a lot of reading and gardening and stuff like that, which has been really really neat. Um and my kids gotten like really into Minecraft lately. So I'll come home and be like, Dad, let us show you what we built. And it's always like really elaborate and creative and cool. So that's a lot of fun. Um, yeah, I'm good, just enjoying the summer, you know, and grilling. And uh Father's Day was really nice. Uh super nice to me. It was great. Um, so I'm I'm good, I'm good except for the cold. I'm great. Don, how are you?

SPEAKER_04

Yay! I'm doing well. I'm doing well. I've been getting a little stronger. I've been doing physical therapy for my crazy leg injury, and I'm like getting some muscles, and it's been great, and the pain is gone. Yay! So that's makes me happy. Um, I had a nice surprise in my garden. I always try to grow some of my things from seed, and I grew something different this year. I got a bunch of seeds from local places, you know, because not only supporting local, but also more likely to be successful. Um, but I I'm growing uh an herb, it's called barrage. Somebody might pronounce it differently, but it's like it's used in skincare. That's how you and it's it's got medicinal value, but it's this really cool, just very true blue flower, but it's also fuzzy. So the cat loves it, although I don't let her out there too much, but yeah, so that's been fun. Did some hula hooping today, got my trampoline out.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, like what? Yeah, like as though this is something you always talk about, you know, daily hula hooping. Get my trampoline.

SPEAKER_04

I used to do daily hoop hula hooping, actually. I used to do 30 to an hour a day of hooping, like really serious hooping. So much, yeah, so much. So now I'm trying to mix it with trampoline work, guys. Yeah, so get moving again, yeah. Um, moving uh, getting a lot of details about the trial that's going on down in San Diego. Decided speaking of germ factories, not to attend because I don't want to get sick. People are like, Yeah, I got sick, and it's like, Yeah, no, thanks.

SPEAKER_00

You don't need that, no, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

So, yeah, I'm gonna have a good time here. It's great. You know, it's still June here, so the weather's June, it's 70, you know, the same as it is all year. It's not quite 73 yet. That's the August weather. Iowa says Dawn should avoid the trampoline with the amount of injuries she's doing, but that's right.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, well, I agree.

SPEAKER_04

But I'm not like, yeah, I'm just doing little jumping, not like flipping or anything like that.

SPEAKER_00

So just Dawn, I've worked with a lot of students who worked at like trampoline parks around town. There's actually kind of a lot of them in Cincinnati, and they would say, like, yeah, the thing about working at a trampoline park is you have like 911 ready at all times. Almost like like you can't speed down 911, it's only three numbers, but you know, like that was really because it's like you gotta have an ambulance come out at least once or twice a week because dangerous. Now I hear you have a little a little trampoline, you have little jumps, but you know, just have to be careful, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

No flipping or anything like that. Yeah. Tosh is not a fan of the hula hoop. Um, she's afraid of it when I hoop, and so I'm trying to get her accustomed to it's like it's not gonna hurt you, but she sees it going around and she wants to be involved. I think one of these days I'll be hooping and she's just gonna go flying after the hoop to try and take it down, you know, because she's a cat. Because cats are um, trampoline. I kind of don't want her involved in that because of the springs, you know. I don't want her catching her paw in there or anything, but yeah, I don't think she will. I don't think she will.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, it could happen.

SPEAKER_04

Well, so did you watch any of the uh Packer Packers uh softball game?

SPEAKER_00

Fundraising some of the clips that are online, yeah. It's fun, it's fun stuff. Um, because Michael Parsons is so competitive, he can't have a lot of things. Oh my gosh, yes. You know, thing too dangerous look like. Uh my only real concern about anyway safety was when uh somebody was like throwing a ball to Keyshawn Nixon to get Jordan Love out and almost hit Jordan Love in the head. He just barely deflected it. It's like oh my god Nixon, you gotta catch the ball, man. You can't get your yeah, don't hit the quarterback head. We don't need that. But otherwise, apart from that, the clips were a lot of fun. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

I think that'd be fun to attend. If I were in Wisconsin this month, I would have done that.

SPEAKER_00

But I'm not just sticking around and like uh sign autographs and stuff like that. They probably do, right? You think?

SPEAKER_04

Right, they do, they show they show they showed footage of that, so it kind of reminded me of when I was little and my dad would take us to practice and we'd get to interact with the players. I love that back in the day where that was like a normal thing, there wasn't you know as much crazy security and everything that's going on right now. So yeah. So I have a lot, a lot, a lot to talk about.

SPEAKER_00

Do you? Outside of superlatives, it's just kind of like um not not a lot, actually. I mean, I feel like there are there are things kind of happening, but with all the Packers being home, you know, because we're in the lull, obviously, between uh the the mini camp and like real training camp, it's it's it's a little slow. Um to and and for that reason, Don, I tip my cap to the people making content every day out there, even every week, because it's it's not easy right now. So um there I am. Hi, all right. So sorry. Really, yeah, we're just uh am constantly in awe of the fact that we still have stuff we can talk about. The fact that I have like three and a half superlatives.

SPEAKER_04

We have so much to talk about. I mean, I don't know what I don't know. I can't wait.

SPEAKER_03

So it's time for this week's superlatives.

SPEAKER_00

You were talking about sneaky, and then you're just you're just fumbling it there. It was Dusty.

SPEAKER_04

If you're listening, you shouldn't be listening. You gotta watch this because this new superlative swoosh is just for you. It's got me spinning just like you asked for. So I don't know if you noticed the changes there.

SPEAKER_00

I did, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Oh my gosh, spinning gone. That's what we need. More spinning gone. So, yeah, so I have, I don't know. Do you have a lot to talk about, Maddie? I do. Do you have any?

SPEAKER_00

I mean, I like three and a half superlatives, but you sound like you have a lot to talk about because you said that a couple of things. I feel like it too. No, I'm gonna say take the mic and run with it, my friend. Go, what you got?

SPEAKER_04

Okay, well, let me find the okay, okay, okay, I will. Okay, so I had two bonuses, but I'm gonna start with the bonuses, okay, because I think they're interesting.

SPEAKER_00

Like dessert first, right?

SPEAKER_04

So the bonuses were both relating to NFL law. So I'm gonna go with the one that kind of came out in the news today. So it's the most contemporary. So if you haven't heard Lions cornerback, who they had as a first round pick just what two years ago, 2024. Terrian Arnold makes first court appearance after robbery and kidnapping charges today. Yeah, I was blown, I was blown away. Of course, this is incredibly sad. I did watch the actual appearance, the court appearance, it was live streamed. Um, Florida is called a sunshine state as to their legal stuff. So they they live anything you want live streamed, hearings, trials, every little procedure, all even the back and forth between the lawyers, it's almost always publicly available. And I like that. But there's a lot of misinformation as usual. But one of the things that I was found very shocking, it's just shocking in general, but to see Terry and Arnold appear in a suicide vest. Um yeah, of course, shackled in all of that, which we hate seeing. Um, but that's I've seen that before in some really serious crimes. Um, but I did a little research about when that, you know, when that does happen, if it's standard, because the charges that he's being uh is facing um have some very hefty sentences, including life. And in in Florida, life means life. There's no parole type situation. I don't know about these charges. I didn't get that far with it, but let me just say there are three counts of armed robbery and three counts of kidnapping.

SPEAKER_00

It's the kidnapping gun that really is blowing my mind right now.

SPEAKER_04

Like, what's yeah, I'll explain. So each of those three also come with a conspiracy charge, and that that makes this really, really, really hard for him to defend against. The reason there's three counts of each is because there were three victims, and no, so each count has a conspiracy charge with it. I mean, they could have probably done three and three and three and three, but they did three and one. So it's being mostly uh um reported as four counts of robbery, four counts of kidnapping, which I thought was confusing because there's three victims, so that's that's what it is. They it's a conspiracy charge. So um today what happened in court is the state motioned um for pretrial detention, meaning that the state of Florida wants him held until trial. So, of course, if that happens, he won't be at practice, he won't be at games until he's found not guilty or whatever. So um they motioned for pretrial detention, which they do for serious crimes. Um, and so Monday will be a bond hearing and they will discuss, argue the pretrial detention motion. And his um, I'm very, very familiar with Terrian Arnold's lawyer, which is interesting. So um he's got a good lawyer, and so they're gonna go in front of the chief judge for Hillsborough County in Florida on Monday, who will hear that those arguments about the bond and whether he'll be held or not. Um, if he does continue to help be held, yeah, he'll he'll miss all the team activities, practices, and and probably games because usually, as you know, as you may or may not know, it takes a long time to get these things to trial.

SPEAKER_02

Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

You know, a lot of people a lot of defendants are sitting there waiting for trial for a year or two, even when they want a speedy, even when they opt for a speedy trial, they're still talking about you know, nine months of time for preparation. And so um with these type of charges, it's very, very unlikely he'll be released with bond.

SPEAKER_02

But Mr.

SPEAKER_04

Jansen will, he's the lawyer to do it, and he will make the arguments, you know, that he can be released on things such as house arrest, giving up the passport, those types of things. Um, and he will argue that he's an NFL player, so he has ties, he doesn't want to leave the country, he wants to be, you know, practicing and playing with his team.

SPEAKER_00

And he applying an international game, Don, then what right?

SPEAKER_04

He wouldn't be able to go to that, no doubt. No doubt they wouldn't allow that. So um that's a good point. Um, but you know, so so and then so then the argument is just yeah, even if the risk, it's it's a manageable risk, but uh it's very it's a very high mountain for them to climb. So right there, Monday's a big deal. And then after Monday, it's just gonna be a long, long, long, long process. So you want to hear what he um was alleged to have done?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04

In terms of the kidnapping? Okay, so I looked at the state attorney's website because the arrest warrant and the affidavit for arrest, uh, the probable cause has not been released yet. There's been a lot of reporting on it, and some people have had it in their possession, but nobody's shared it yet. They probably come to you know tomorrow or so. But the state attorney's office um says that no one has the right to take the law into their own hands. A dispute over missing property does not justify kidnapping, violence, and retaliation. This arrest is a result of months of investigative work and collaboration between the Tampa Police Department and the prosecution. Um, so Arnold's Terry and Arnold's co-defendants, and there are many, there are six total co-conspirators.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my goodness.

SPEAKER_04

Right. And I think his arrest, I think I'm I think it's fair to say that his arrest warrant, which happened yesterday, he turned himself in, um, came about because two of the co-conspirators have made an agreement with the state to plead and to cooperate. So now they have what they need. Um, so two other codependents, um, these appear to be female co-dependents. One was presumably his girlfriend, Ariana, and Jasmine. So they pled guilty, I believe it was yesterday, to their roles in the crime during a court hearing. Yeah, yesterday, June 24th. So um one of them was sentenced to four years, even with even with the plea deals. So they're not just you know walking away. Um, and then um Dval, Ariana, which I believe is was at least reportedly his girlfriend at the time, um, has not uh had a sentence yet. So they're required required to testify truthfully, and so that can be pulled away if they're not truthful. So he's accused of coordinating and directing. This is the big deal. He's like the top of all six of them, he's the top guy that they wanted. Um, directing the co-defendants to lure three men to an apartment, and he used the women to do that, where victims were robbed, beaten, and held at gunpoint because he believed they um stole more than $200,000 worth of his personal items during a stay at his Airbnb property, but there's no evidence that they did that. So they might have even gotten the wrong people. But even if they had, that wouldn't have justified it. But that's another twist to this. It's like, oh my gosh. Now here's the thing. So um he did re Arnold did orchestrate all of this after reporting it to the police, so he knew he could report it to police and have them take care of it, but he wanted to take care of it himself. So this happened back in February, and um and each of the kidnapping and the armed robbery carries a potential life sentence. So now you've got six counts of them, right? So this is super serious. Um he they lured him in, they pistol whipped, held at gunpoint, and robbed them. And he also, here's the weird thing. Here's the really dumb stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Here's the weird thing, Don. We're talking about kidnapping already. This is already pretty weird.

SPEAKER_04

Well, it gets weirder. The evidence titled the evidence cited were group chats where Terrian Arnold and co-defendants, uh, where he gave direction during the assault.

SPEAKER_00

That's weird.

SPEAKER_04

They live streamed video. Allegedly, allegedly wait, I think yeah, they said it says live streamed on their thing. I think they meant FaceTime, but this is from the I think there's an error on the website, but I hope so because what either way, everyone's gonna be able to do it. But you can live stream to you can live stream to a private audience though, too.

SPEAKER_00

Sure.

SPEAKER_04

So technically it's live streaming when you're FaceTiming. So okay, so live stream video alleging allegedly showing Arnold communicating with the participants during the crime, testimony and statements, obviously, from the co-defendants um who pled. So there's a lot. I there was some examples of the chat, but I mean, there's video, yeah. And there's yes, it's not good. It this is not looking good at all. So there were months and months of investigation. This happened on February 4th. Um, obviously. So it um it kind of has that OJ feel. Remember, OJ ended up in jail, in prison, because he tried to recover what he thought was property, you know, of his own. So of his from a yeah, from a theft. So it's kind of crazy, huh? It's super sad.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, no, it's crazy and it's it's funny and not funny, it's so mind-bogglingly outside of like what anyone would think to do. It's like, why would you do that? What would present why would you think that's the right move? What are you doing? What are you doing? What are you doing?

SPEAKER_04

I know. My goodness, I know he he has his whole life, he's 23 years old. 23 years old. Oh man, he had his whole life, you know, it's it's so sad, but um, I think he knows what he, you know, the gravity of it, thus, the suicide vest, which is really weird because I I thought, well, maybe they just because I have heard things, you know, watching trials and things over the years, and you see people in those they call them turtle suits, they're green and they don't have anything on underneath them, and it's just like, what are they wearing? Why are they wearing that? But so I was wondering if it was like customary for somebody who's like just gone from a life like he has to being in jail and possibly never getting out and facing life if it's just standard. But evidently it's not standard, it it has uh it's determined uh based on how they present themselves and they get a psychological analysis. And so I imagine he's going through it right now, and um, it's just shocking that anyone would do that. And of course, you know, that's that. But there's gonna be a lot of talk about it, and there'll be another hearing on Monday, and then there'll be hearings after that. Um, once they get a regardless of what is decided in terms of him being out on bail or not. Again, it's very unlikely that he will. Um Regardless, the trial will go on. And so there'll be lots of hearings and lots of things in the future. And because it's Florida, we'll be able to see that one life. Yeah. Wow. So yeah, shocking. Yes. Yes. Crazy. Wow. So yeah. Should I do my second bonus since I'm sure?

SPEAKER_00

Go for it. You got the mic.

SPEAKER_04

Okay. So I had two bonuses regarding NFL law. And and I couldn't remember, Maddie, if I talked about this or not, but did I mention about a month ago that Flores, Coach Flores of the Vikings, a defensive coordinator there? He won. So in other words, I shouldn't say he won. The NFL lost. The NFL took their case that Flores has had against them for years, all the way up to the Supreme Court, because they wanted to insist that it gets settled via arbitration because NFL has super strong, like super strong arbitration clauses for anything and everything. So that's why you don't see a lot of cases against the NFL, and a lot of things are kept under the, you know, swept under the rug and hidden and that type of thing. But in this case, um, the Supreme Court said, no, you're going to have a trial. You're going to have a trial. So the Flores case against the National Football League has a case number. It's going to be heard in the Southern District of New York where you don't want to mess around. And so, and just if anybody doesn't know, the underlying case is about discrimination because Flores is contending that he's not getting head coach position because of the color of his skin. So, and there's other cases involved. But the other big news on that is he's opening it up. Um he's um he's opening it up. It's it was filed now in SDNY as a punitive class action. So other coaches can join now.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_04

And there are some that have expressed um some camaraderie or some interest in that. So um the other thing about non um not being an arbitration is that opens the NFL up to all kinds of discovery.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_04

Things that they do want anyone to know about. And that's why they fought so hard to keep that's one of the many reasons they fought so hard to keep it as an arbitrated type of um settlement. So that means that they can expose emails, text messages, hiring records, interview notes, internal communications between teams and and league officials, right? So that discovery is what they were really mostly fighting. Um, but uh yeah, so they're gonna be able to do a lot more now that it's not going to be arbitrated. So it's uh not yet certified as class action, it's proposed, but it's probably going, it's probably gonna happen. So that was a big piece of news, and I don't remember if I mentioned it or not on our show. We've had only every other one. I don't think you did.

SPEAKER_00

I don't think so.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah. So big bonuses up front.

SPEAKER_00

Go ahead. So follow-up question for you, Don. Um when a defendant is trying to avoid further discovery, does it sound insulted to you like they're guilty or trying to do that for a different reason?

SPEAKER_04

Um, I wouldn't say guilt. Um there could be a lot of reasons why a company, in this case, the defendant is a company, right? Like organization. Um it this doesn't come into play during the trial at all. So like once it's in front of a jury in terms of guilt and innocent, like guilt and not guilty, it's not really innocence, but guilt or not guilty, it's not going to come up in that framework. But do I think that the NFL has things that they want to hide? Absolutely. So it does it does seem fishy. And so what this will also do is really put the pressure on the NFL to settle in a very large way. Like they might have to pay if if they want to settle this, which they probably will, um, because they don't want this stuff out. They don't want this out. Now he could just keep going and be like, no, I'm not accepting any amount of money, you know, because he probably doesn't need the money.

SPEAKER_00

Well, yeah.

SPEAKER_04

And if he did settle, then he'd be like, You're bound to non-confidential, you know, confidentiality agreement and all that, which is what I don't think Flores is after. I think he wants to expose the problem and have it fixed, not covered up. So that um do I so does it indicate to me that the NFL has things that are that are illegal that they want to hide? Kinda, but not necessarily. It could also just be you know embarrassing or personal type things, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, if not illegal, maybe at least unethical or just like doesn't look good for you guys kind of stuff.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, not nice.

SPEAKER_00

Not nice, there you go.

SPEAKER_04

Not not the image you want to have.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Oh wow, holy cow, Dawn. You're blowing my mind here tonight. Left and right, holy cow.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, those are my bonuses. I have some more football-y stuff, I think. What do you have, Maddie?

SPEAKER_00

All right, we'll do my first superlative. Uh, my first superlative, there is one of my favorite things, right, about trying to find stuff to talk about on the show. Not like it's like we are going our way to find stuff, but you know, it's like as you kind of have your your antenna in the air and you're kind of like seeing some stuff. I love it when like an account that you don't know as well, um, you know, that has like maybe a couple thousand followers or like goes and like puts up something really cool. You're like, Whoa, I didn't know this this account was capable of something so awesome as this. Um, I didn't know I wasn't familiar with your game. I wasn't familiar with your game, BP uh BGPG um on Twitter. That's uh let me see. Oh Bay Green P. I don't know the the BGPG stands for, but suppose it's account um that posted do you know what is Packers guy? I don't know. I'd have to look it up. I don't have it up on my screen. So there is a video that this account posted that was every Aaron Rodgers Hail Mary, but with the opposing team's radio call, so just like really tasty, you know. Oh fun. You see, like these fun, you know, Hail Mary's that like we we've all seen so many times, you know. We know some of like the the Joe Buck audio on them, you know, from memory, you know. Uh so to hear like again the the opposing uh teams, you know, color guy and and and everything else talking through these. Uh and you know, the uh the the very few also like Paul Allen will be like despondent if their team loses, so it's not like they're crying about it, but it is like they're like, No, no, I can't believe that happened to us again, like that kind of stuff, you know. Um, and and that not to chortle in the face of like the losers, because obviously we've had we've had a share of that too, but just saying creative idea, well executed, and just a lot of fun. And I feel like Don lately doesn't seem like to you like sort of a nostalgia starting to rise up among Packers fans for like you know, some of Farves are not far's whoa, no, some of Aaron Rodgers' best plays, and and it's not like people are like, Oh, I wish he was our quarterback because we're I think a lot of us are happy with love. But there seems to be a little bit of like uh a little nostalgia for for Aaron Rodgers lately. Have you seen that? Am I making that up? What do you think?

SPEAKER_04

Um, I did see it reported that Tom Brady said Rogers was the best to ever do it, or something along those lines recently.

SPEAKER_02

True.

SPEAKER_04

So it's like, yeah, maybe, maybe, uh, maybe because people actually believe he's gonna stop after this season. You don't believe him? I mean I don't believe him, but he probably will because time's ticking.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, catch it out. That's for sure.

SPEAKER_04

I mean, he I don't how do I say that? I don't hold him to it because Katrine. I don't hold him to it because I don't I don't care. Like he can do whatever he wants, he has the right to change his mind, in other words. But the fact that he said this is the last time for realse this time. I mean, he's been saying it for like five years, so I guess I'm kind of exhausted, but I don't care, I don't I wouldn't hold it to him. It's not that I don't care, I wouldn't hold him to it if he decided to come back, but so it's not a bleed thing, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So okay, now I've got the handle for this account, uh, by the way. It's um okay again, BGPG, but that's um at bleed green pea gold. What's the P for Packers at bleed green pea gold that was posted on G uh June 16th? It's tons of fun, I'd highly recommend it, folks.

SPEAKER_04

Cool, cool. But to answer your question in a better, more concise way, I think it makes sense that nostalgia for for Rogers would be starting to amp up. It makes sense. I could I I I don't know that I picked up on it, but I did it right away clicked what what um Brady said, right? Was reported. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

Maybe where it's like, you know, uh we are bored, so our minds are gonna wander. And oh yeah, remember Aaron Rodgers before he was he was a lot of fun, he's tons of fun back in the day.

SPEAKER_04

That's right. That's right. Well, I picked um one of my first superlatives here, was also kind of in that same like somebody we don't talk about a whole lot, and this is um Lombardi Ave we talk about once in a while. But this was uh uh article written, Matt LaFleur lands on no list, no NFL coach wants to be on. So I was intrigued, but I don't know that there's really a list, and it was a good headline and it got my attention. But basically, it was just about it was about a lot of things, but initially it was about how LaFleur is under pressure to you know not just win during the regular season, but to win some playoff games, to have and there's a lot of people talking about that. Um kind of stating the obvious, I guess, but um I mean I hope I hope it happened, but one of the things that I thought about when I was reading the article is Matt LaFleur's been uh the Packers coach for eight years.

SPEAKER_00

Eight years crazy, right? I know.

SPEAKER_04

How did that happen? I want my eight years.

SPEAKER_00

I know it's crazy.

SPEAKER_04

So that was a good article. I recommend it.

SPEAKER_00

Um sorry, who's the author of the article?

SPEAKER_04

Um, it was let me find it.

SPEAKER_00

Um make sure to give them their their due.

SPEAKER_04

I am sorry, I just closed it. Hold on, let me grab it again. I said Lombardi ad, but I didn't say the purse. The person is Luke Norris, and it was written on June 21st. Luke Norris.

SPEAKER_00

All right, Luke Norris. Good job, Luke Norris. Love it.

SPEAKER_04

Good job. Yeah, he's uh he's on a he's on the warm seat. I don't, you know, I do get exhausted. I don't mind reading about this in the off season at all because we're you know we're looking for things to read about and stuff, but I don't love hearing about it during the season over and over and over. We're like, just come on, let it go. Like, just enjoy the game.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it's like we're in the middle of the season, we don't have the perspective of like the full you know narrative of how the season went. Like, why are we trying to talk about people losing jobs right now? It's like it's not it's not so bad that it's an emergency, it needs to happen now. It's like, no, uh, we just need to see how things play out first. Just let it let it happen, let it run its course. Uh, yeah, I hate that mid-season. Fire balafleur now or any any coach ever, fire them now. It's like no, come on. Um, but I would say, yeah, well, go ahead. I'll say I think I think an assessment that he's on a warm seat, I think, is fair. Um, it does seem like the clock is ticking, and if he doesn't get like better results than just kind of like getting in as the seventh seed and maybe kind of doing something, probably not that's yeah, that's not sustainable. That's not gonna, they're not gonna keep him running a lot longer if that keeps being the the case, and it's been the case a lot now, so I don't know.

SPEAKER_04

Warm do you think there's a do you think that a head coach do you think that a head coach change could everything else being equal could actually change that?

SPEAKER_00

That's such a good question. Because I mean you look at uh the Bears, you know, and Ben Johnson came in, massive resurgence.

SPEAKER_04

Uh yeah, but a whole new team, practically, yeah, he had a whole bunch of new players, yeah. Because they they changed for so long, he had a really good roster by then. Yeah, don't you think?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I can't remember enough of the specifics to really come to make an intelligent comment on that one. I will say I think you have a lot of good points there. I think there were a lot of new players they brought in, but even still the attitude really shifted, you know. I mean, obviously, we hate Ben Johnson, but you know, like the guy definitely uh seemed to bring the team together with his ridiculous shirtless antics and his screaming about the Packers, um, his classless behavior, let's just say. Um, so I think it's possible to like do a lot to change the direction of a team with a new coach in a very short amount of time. Um, hopefully for the better, ideally. Uh, you know, and like Matt LaFleur's first season, he did a lot to like get Rogers, you know, seemingly excited about playing again. And like the team did much better in LaFleur's first year than in you know McCarthy's last year. So is it possible for a coach to come in and make a big difference? I think, yeah, I think in year one, yeah, absolutely. Do I think that we're at the point where we need to flush LaFleur? No, not yet, but it's also it could be coming soon, just the same. I think this is a very important season for him for sure. Um, you know, when this when the team's in rough shape, you look to like, is it the coach, is it the GM? What is it? I don't think Brian Kudukins is to blame here at all. Honestly, I feel like he's been a really solid GM, and even if he's not like like the best in the league, like uh, you know, how are you roseman or whatever? Um, he still seems to be really good. So I think if you know, if the axe has to come down on someone's head eventually in the next year or two, if it doesn't go our way, I think it's gonna be LaFleur, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, and do you think that people feel that way because LaFleur is a quieter type, not a rowdy, loud coach. Do you think it's really the coaching or is it the outward personality?

SPEAKER_00

I think people I think Matt LaFleur doesn't come across as like a tough guy, you know, like uh like Dan Campbell, for example, good example of that. Um, he seems like slightly more, you know, effeminate than a lot of other coaches do with his perfect eyebrows, and he seems kind of like you know, softly spoken. And and even it's kind of oh done, I don't want to use this word, but I'm for lack of a better word, and I hate to say it. He comes across as kind of bitchy, you know, in like some of the press conferences, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Well, that's better than effeminate. Okay, yeah, but well, I mean, yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you.

SPEAKER_00

Snippy, let's say snippy. It's that's it's not it's not as gender to say snippy, we get snippy with the reporters sometimes, and I think that you know, in uh in a patriarchy that we're living in, frankly. Um, right, it's easy for a lot of people to be like, Oh, he's not tough enough, he's soft, blah blah blah. But then you know, you listen to like like people like Andy Herman who are there at practices, you know, and it's just the reporters. Like, he said, like, no, LaFleur will like get on them, he'll be aggressive in practice, even if he doesn't come across that way in front of a camera. Like, he's out there working hard and like you know, chewing them out if they're not doing their job, um, which I believe.

SPEAKER_04

I do too.

SPEAKER_00

But his persona, you know, in front of a camera and in front of a room full of reporters is definitely like not a big URA, you know, tear his shirt off and bite kneecaps, and you know, all that stuff. That's not what he does, right?

SPEAKER_04

He does to me, he seems I wouldn't want to cross that man, and I wouldn't want to be you know found slacking on his team. I think he's tough as nails, yeah. He is a little bit more gentlemanly, um, about you know, measured, but I do think sometimes people equate that with that he's not tough in the locker room or on the field, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, I think he is, but yeah.

SPEAKER_04

Interesting. Interesting. Okay, my turn. My turn. Is it my turn or your turn? Sure, I don't care. Let's go ahead. I forgot.

SPEAKER_00

No, it's your turn. Oh, great, okay. Well, I got stuff to talk about. So uh my next one, yes, best news. Oh man, okay. This is the thing, Don, that's really giving me um life right now about the Packers. Uh, you know, we're worried about Josh Jacobs and the legal situation, what's gonna happen there? It could be nothing. Maybe we maybe get lucky and there's nothing actually to any of it, and everyone's fine, and and yay. Um, of course, you know, Josh Jacobs still has to kind of like they'll be the people who never believe that he was you know totally innocent. So that's a thing you'll have to deal with. That's that stinks. If he was totally innocent, that is. But regardless, there's this it feels like a looming, like a ticking time bomb. Like we might find out any day that Josh Jacobs has to go to jail for several years or something like that could happen, right? Or just be suspended for the season or whatever else. Yeah, that's not what's giving me life. The thing that's giving me life done is that Marshawn Lloyd has been looking good, yeah. Which is like, well, okay, maybe we'll be okay if we don't have Josh Jacobs. I'd rather have him on the team, he's good, obviously. Yeah, but if Marshawn Lloyd is as good as like you know, everyone has been hyping him up to be and he's figured out the health stuff. Yes, we could be in for a really fun sort of treat that we didn't really see coming, apart from just like as a as an idea, you know, as a as a yes sort of um you know, what if eventually sort of thing. And so we're going with this is that Matt Schneidman for the athletic.com, of course, uh wrote a great article because he wanted to talk to the guy who Marshawn Lloyd was training with and like you know, getting the the therapy and stuff from. Uh, the article in The Athletic, of course, is called Why Packers Are Very Optimistic About Marshawn Lloyd, this time with reason. Um, it's great how you know the athletic was was kind of designed with the idea of being a place where you can write more long-form stuff, more in-depth, uh kind of real journalism. And you know, uh Matt Schneidman's so good at that, he's such a good writer for something that is more in-depth like that. Um, and this is a great example of that. That's another great article from Matt Steinman. Um, because you get more of the full story, and it's not just like you know, LaFleur, whoever's saying, whoever, you know, saying, Oh, yeah, he's looking great. It's like, well, no, actually, the doctor's saying he's doing well, and we're seeing like real proof of it. And here's the reason why, and even goes to some of the detail of like what like he's doing to uh to get this improvement and this health back. So um really, really fun article. Learned a lot from it, you know, and gave me a lot of like reason for hope for the season, you know.

SPEAKER_04

Good, good, good, good. Well, yeah, and we can't just like Jacobs was really tasked with the entire running back shop. Like we we used to have thunder and lightning, right? We need at least two uh running backs that are operating. But um, yeah, I hope I hope that with Jacobs that that everything was just basically untrue. Um which and it's possible, we don't know yet. But if it wasn't, we're going to find out for sure. And if that's the case, if it wasn't untrue, then yeah, I hope that that's handled. And if that if if it is true, I don't think he'll be on the team, to be honest, regardless of what happens in the courtroom.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, totally.

SPEAKER_04

Even if they settle or whatever.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, we need them. So see.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, yeah, well, one door closes, another one opens. I hope it's untrue, is my biggest thing for sure. So, because that has happened enough times. Uh, in fact, I talked about it on this show when it uh recently happened with um somebody who everybody thought because he had such a bad reputation that the uh allegations were true, and and maybe they even were, but it was just such a horrible witness that the charges got dismissed in court. But either or um the NFL can do things on their own, which you know I have thoughts about that too, but anyhow, okay. So um I thought this was good. It was uh Green Bay Packers 2026 off season overview. Nagler and Herman.

SPEAKER_00

Okay.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, that was a really nice discussion. Not super long, but um nice chat. Lots to say about it. I'm not gonna break it down. You gotta go listen to it, but it was just like a nice way to round off. Um, okay, now we've got a month to wait till anything happens in practice and all that. So it was just a nice uh topping on the cake. Min Egler has some great questions for Herman because obviously Andy goes to is allowed to go to some of the practices and that kind of thing. So he's his eyes. So so yeah, catch that. That was on YouTube. It was probably in other places.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. I missed that one. I'll go back and find that. I always like when they talk, I like their um specifically chemistry and rapport. I find it very enjoyable. So I will check that out. Yeah, thank you.

SPEAKER_04

I like it, I like it. What else do you have?

SPEAKER_00

All right, my next one. Um, my last of my three, remember, I do have a bonus afterwards. Uh this is best interview, but rather interviews in parentheses, because this was Mike Spofford for Packers.com interviewing Xavier McKinney and Evan Williams, really focusing on like their chemistry, how they've learned to like grow together. Um, you know, like grow together. It's really more how uh Evan Williams has learned from Xavier McKinney, but how they form like a really tight, you know, bond, um, and learn to like trust each other and understand what like what the other person's doing on the field, and just like talking about like hearing players talk about the development of that kind of chemistry is really fascinating. And in fact, goes to a thing I was watching recently, you know, Michael McKelvey, who does those really cool videos about like analytics and stuff. Um, we talked about a few times. He had one that was talking about how chemistry is so important in sports, really got into like some analytics around it, stuff like that, which was cool. And so I had that in my mind when I was reading them, um, yeah again, Ziv McKinney and and um uh and lost my mind, and Evan Williams, right? Um uh talking about their their connection, their chemistry was like, Yeah, that's a thing, that's a real thing that you can actually measure to some degree. Um, and say it's hearing them talk about it was neat was really neat. And you know, Mike Spofford, love his writing always. Uh, another like good, fairly, fairly long article compared to a lot of the stuff you'll you'd see out there, um, and uh really enjoyable. Good, a good sort of thing.

SPEAKER_04

We have time, we have time to read because there's no games to watch. Yeah, chemistry and relationships, you know, that's the one thing because I wasn't always somebody who enjoyed watching sports. I would like to do sports or do things, I wouldn't sit and watch sports, I just wouldn't until I did. And I would say that just seeing the relationships and the chemistry among team players, you know, whatever, whatever team, but even like I was mentioning the softball game that the the pack of players had it, you know, in this recent month. Um, it's just really fun to see that team spirit, that teamwork, the relationships, the chemistry. It's really such a fun thing about sports that's not about sports at all. I mean, it is and it isn't, right? Not directly. So that's something to be celebrated for sure. Love that. So, do you have another spirit? I have one more. Um will this is probably a little boring, but what can I say? But this came up too. I don't know if you heard anything about this, but will the Packers suffer without NFL broadcast antitrust exemption? Another legal matter, sort of, that's gone up in front of Congress. Have you been hearing about this? Because there have been some statements put out by the um, yeah, let's see if I can by the Packers.

SPEAKER_00

Sort of acidic sort of reply that the Packers posted.

SPEAKER_04

You're talking about it was, but I was like, but really, really? Are they just saying that to toe the line and to show their support to the NFL because that's what the NFL wants them to say? Or would it really be the undoing? And when you look at it, when you look into this, it's like I don't know that the Packers would really be undone by that, by the antitrust um being, you know, exemption, basically being being um, I think it would be healthy, and I don't think the Packers would suffer all that much personally. I just but nobody wants change. But I can I can I'm sure that the Packers organization has a has a plan B for if this does happen, right? Um but yeah, I mean the whole NFL model is a little bit organized, crime ish, if you want to say, you know, I mean they they have all these exemptions and they're just getting richer and richer and richer. Um, and this goes back to 1961, I think, when this all was allowed allowed to happen. So it needs to be looked at again. And the fact that they um have so much power over broadcasting and certain broadcasters have so much power over consumers, I think that that should be renegotiated. And and it might open everything up more to live stream, uh not live streaming, but more streaming options, which a lot of people are clamoring for. And the reason it's not available is because of this. So I think a lot of things um could come of it. Um I um I can't remember who it was that spoke about. I looked at a couple of people, but basically, are they as fragile as all that? I don't know, because even if they had individual TV deals, it's still the Green Bay Packers. It's a national team with national following.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, they have a lot of value.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, it's I mean, I could see maybe a less popular team having a more of an issue with this than the Packers personally, but yeah, I just don't know if it is out really that real. Yeah, I think they said exit. I think he said I think they the corporate line was existential threat. I think that might have been overstated personally, it's pretty dramatic to say, like it's gonna destroy the team.

SPEAKER_00

I that seems unlikely. Um, but uh I don't know, the whole thing seems real messy, and like people with agendas that I don't fully understand, so I feel like I can't trust what any of the the people in the thick of it are saying, you know what I mean? Uh right, yeah. I don't I don't trust any y'all. I mean, like I love the Packers, obviously, but if we're talking about like the the legal arm of things and the PR set, it's like, well, I'm skeptical for sure, you know, something like this from both sides. I'd like to know more. I'd like to know more of the actual truth of the situation.

SPEAKER_04

Well, it'd be more open, more negotiating involved. I mean, it'd be probably more initially to redo it because no one likes change, you know, status quo and all that, but I think it's gonna change no matter what at some point. I don't think it's can continue to go on the way it is.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so yeah. Interesting. All right. Well, I have uh, like I mentioned, Don, a um sort of a bonus one. If you remember last episode, uh, which was that three weeks ago, Don? This is the off-season kids, it's crazy. Um, yes, last time I had a moment of appreciation for uh again, Mike Spofford, who I just mentioned, and Wes Hodkowitz, sort of a general, like not a specific thing they did, but I really enjoyed this sort of like thing about them. I was thinking about that, you know, that's really also very much how I feel about about Andy Herman and Justice Muscadas weekly, you know, episodes they do. Every week I could be like, This week, one of the best things I heard was these guys talking about football because it always is. So this is a sort of general shout-out and moment of appreciation for what they do together because they're both very smart. Uh, we've had them both on our show, of course, and um, I enjoy their their content separately, but when they come together, it's like it's like Voltron with two pieces, I guess. But you know, for a personagistic effect of smart people bouncing ideas off of each other and talking about things like maybe justice knows something that Andy doesn't know about, so we can kind of clue them in while including us in, you know, we the listeners, and they both care deeply about you know, uh Andy would call it like nerd stuff, you know, with with football. Um, but it's sort of like you know, the the Siggo fans like us that are like following football in the offseason and podcasting about it, you know, that kind of stuff that I was talking about. I just so appreciate it. It's you know, since we listen to so many podcasts, right? Um, there are always there's a small collection of them that go to the top of the queue when they drop, and every single Tuesday morning that goes right to the beginning, and so it's like, all right, gonna be listening to this while I eat my breakfast. Very focused on it, probably finish listening before I even get to work because I listen to things at one and a half speed at this point, you know, like like stickers, right? So um uh I just I just so enjoy their weekly show. I'm so glad that they kept it going in the offseason this time around because I think this is the first time they have remember correctly, and um just register and enjoy their work. So a moment of appreciation for Andy Herman and Justice Moscow's weekly joint podcast they do.

SPEAKER_04

I second that. Um, I really enjoy them also because they're both super nice and open. Yeah, and and that comes across their personalities comes across, and justice always he's so he always has these little tidbits about what's going on in his personal life. And he mentioned that he lived in the most recent one, he he lives in an apartment building that's like historically significant, it's like over a hundred years old. And I don't know something about air conditioning. I wasn't quite sure if they didn't. Yeah, they're like you can't have a fan in the air, you know, it's like it was just like you could just kind of picture it all, and um it was just yeah, all these little fun um ways to just get some you know personal connection with these dudes. And by the way, I was like, we need to have these guys on before this the season starts again because we need to connect with them again before it gets too crazy for sure. But yeah, just really peachy guys, you know, good to know.

SPEAKER_00

And you know, Joe here in the chat saying, You mean I'm not your number one, Matt? I'm hurt Joe. You always be my number one, boo. You always be my number one.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, we love you, Joe.

SPEAKER_00

That's right.

SPEAKER_04

Where's Joe's sidekick? Joe's sidekick probably's like, I guess they're not gonna be uh true north.

SPEAKER_00

I don't know if I call it true north a sidekick. Co-conspirator, perhaps.

SPEAKER_04

Yes. Speaking of conspiracies. Oh yeah, man, that's some bad news though. With you know, you hate to see it, um, but also gotta acknowledge it when players or coaches or whomever get um you know caught up in the wrong side of the law and and just hope that maybe others will learn from it too. Because you don't want to be in that situation where you're walking around in a blue-green dress with nothing under it and chains around your feet. Like that's just not where you want to be. Uh no, suicide best. But yeah, Maddie. Well, I was gonna ask you one other thing. No, I just I'll remember as soon as we go off. I thought of it like three times during the show, and I forgot. Oh, I just remembered. Okay, so have you picked up on any of the um did you have a chance to read the New York Times article about Roussini or any of that coverage?

SPEAKER_00

Was that more more stuff come out uh about that? I have not, though.

SPEAKER_04

Yeah, no, they did a they did their own like investigative reporting on it on the situation. Oh god, oh god, yeah. Is that where down's going?

SPEAKER_00

Is this what it is?

SPEAKER_04

No, it was big news though. We kept coming up in my feed the last couple of days. I just wondered if you it I have into it, but yeah, yeah. I I will have to say I I never what I didn't even know like who she totally was. Like when the when the news hit, I was thought I had a picture in my head. I follow her that much, in other words, but just basically because the type of you know, national breaking news kind of reporting that she does is just not something that I'm tuned into that much. Oh I always really like Frabel, so I was paying attention to that because I was like, oh Frabel, come on, man. But um, yeah, and I know she came across um once when I was talking about the um Dan Snyder stuff a few years back with that whole mess with the commanders and all of his shenanigans before he got basically pressured out of ownership of a team because she did some reporting on that and got in trouble for some reporting that she did on that. So that's the only reason he even came off my on my. I was like, Oh yeah, she's the one. But no, I just curious because I know you had thoughts about her situation and people dragging.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I'll just say real fast. Um, I do like her work. I've actually mentioned her on the pod, mentioned her on the podcast a couple times in the past, and um because I get like the notifications on my you know my home screen uh from Schefter and from um Ian Rappaport, um, you know, they they've retreated her stuff many times in the past. So like I was pretty familiar with her. Um, I do I do still think that people have been more unfair to her than to uh to to Vrabel on this whole thing, but I would also say since the point that I was ranting about that on the show um you know a few months ago, she has not come across as as favorably as as as she seemed to to me initially. So it's kind of like, oh no, I think she has and Vrabel both have plenty of fault here, and you know, I think the yeah the treating of them jointly as like these people were cheating on their families, like yeah, okay. I think that's I think it's entirely fair. That's an entirely fair criticism of the books they both seem to be.

SPEAKER_04

So right, right. And and honestly, I mean that's this that's the subset. I mean, this the whole thing is like what what how does this affect reporting and relationships in the NFL that we rely on, right? And I think that's the more important point. And and I think some people were saying, Oh, it's overblown, you know, everybody has relationships that we don't know about, that kind of thing. But then I do think um the the one thing that the article evidently talked about is they uncovered, and a lot of this is stuff that she just openly said, it's not like she was hiding any of this stuff. She's just this is the she's got that brash kind of um outgoing personality, yeah. So she she was texting and driving and got pulled over. She had her children in the car. Yeah, and was I don't know if she was speeding too, but she was texting and driving, got pulled over, and started sweet talking the cop. And he's like, Yeah, no, mm-mm, because she was coming from a stadium or something like that, and she talked herself out of the ticket by getting the cop's favorite team, the coach, the head coach of that team, to talk to the cop personally.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, that's not cool.

SPEAKER_04

So that kind of stuff, and it's like, yeah, they kind of just was like, yeah, that's kind of how she came to comes across. And so it's stuff like that. And it's like, well, who now everybody wants to know what coach it was, who what team it was, who did she call? It wasn't Brabel, evidently, and so it's just stuff like that where it's like, yeah, that's kind of crossing the line. I know initially people were like, oh, come on, you know, she of course everybody has relationships, they all go out drinking and this and that, but it sounds like she's got kind of an issue about crossing the line in some ways, where then you gotta wonder about the reliability of what they say in in their reporting and credibility in that yeah. Oh, yeah, so Joe saw the same thing. I saw something, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Not a good look, Doctor.

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I hope not.

SPEAKER_04

And a coach is just like, oh yeah, yeah, she's a nice lady, you know, she's a good person, and don't give her a ticket, whatever, you know, innocently, but still, yeah, it's bad ethics and systems, is what it is. Yeah, boundaries, baby, boundaries. Well, Maddie, any final thoughts before we uh wrap her up?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, you know, just uh if you've uh you know hung with us, uh appreciate you listening, folks. And uh we'll probably be back in two weeks, but who knows? We're trying to figure out some new technology that did not work tonight, which is why it was really late. Um, and yes, appreciate you so much. Um, apart from that, uh it's it's annoying that there's no football happening, so take this time to like spend extra time with uh your kids, your loved ones, your pets, your parents, your whatever. You know what I mean? Like, good time to to bank some of that good karma with your people. Um, yes, it's beautiful out there, man. You know, get get to the pool, go to the beach, uh, get on a bike. You know, it's it's it's awesome. Go have a summer.

SPEAKER_04

Go have a summer, be grateful, be grateful for whatever it is that June and July bring in your life and tell everybody about what you are doing and why you love it so much. And the next thing you know, you'll blink and we'll be playing football again.

SPEAKER_00

September. September, yeah. That's crazy.

SPEAKER_04

All right, May. Well, let's bring her home.

SPEAKER_00

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SPEAKER_04

Yes, Natty, that's right. Because we love you, we're so glad to know you to be fans of you and have the luxury of being fans of the most story team in the NFL. We appreciate your support, your subscriptions, and sharing our pod, and we look forward to seeing you in two weeks.

SPEAKER_00

On hey, we like your pod.