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🧀 PACKERS OFFSEASON CHECK-IN 🧀

Tonight we’re breaking down Packers drama — but with a twist:

We each brought our TOP 3 picks from Packers content creators covering the biggest offseason storylines, and we’re reacting to all of it.

🏈 OTA revelations
🧱 Josh Jacobs dilemma 
👀 Which rookies are already turning heads
🎯 Jordan Love maturing
📦 Christian Watson's big contract
…and what actually matters heading toward training camp.


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💚🤍💚 Welcome to Hey, We Like Your Pod! — your go-to weekly podcast where we celebrate content creators, highlight the best NFL, Green Bay Packers, and football coverage we’ve personally consumed, and dive deep into the online sports community you love.

Join Dawn Dacquisto and Matt Pickett — girl dad, musician, trombonist, and Packers superfan — every week for a fun, insightful, and jam-packed show that blends sports commentary, creator spotlights, and plenty of laughs. Whether you’re here for the hard-hitting football talk, the Super Superlatives segment where we crown the week’s best takes, or the Origin Stories where we chat with your favorite creators about how they got started, you’ll leave feeling entertained, informed, and connected.

Each Saturday morning, Dawn and Matt bring you a curated roundup of the best NFL, Packers, and football-related content from podcasts, BlueSky, Twitter/X feeds, YouTube channels, blogs and podcasts. They also sprinkle in conversations about other loosely related interests, so you never know when you might discover a new passion or perspective. This is more than just football talk — it’s about building a beloved community where you feel like you’re part of the conversation.

Don’t miss this fun, insightful, and hype-filled conversation to get you ready for kickoff!

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SPEAKER_03

Hello and welcome to Hey, we like your pod.

SPEAKER_00

And we're gonna tell you why we like your pod. Hi, it's Dawn here, and I'm joined, as always, by my trusted partner, Matt Pickett. Good to see you, Matt. How are you doing? I'm great. It's been two weeks. It's been two weeks.

SPEAKER_03

Two weeks. Yeah. Last time was three weeks, which was crazy. So two weeks was a little less, a little less uh, you know, uh, I don't know what the word is, frantic or something. Um, but yeah, really happy to see you, of course, my friend. Things are going well here. It's like full summer mode at work and at home because the kids are done with their school year. So this is their first week off. And we're talking about going to the library, getting books, talking about getting the uh pool passes for the for the neighborhood pool on Saturday. We're talking about getting up late, playing Minecraft, man. I can't I I wish I wish I was them. I'm jealous. That's not my life. My life isn't gonna work still. So um, but also orientation season started at work, which is a lot of fun. So I think things are great. Just riding the riding the high of the beginning of summer, you know? Don what how about you? What's happening with you?

SPEAKER_00

Um yeah, yeah, I I already missed the kids downstairs that they had all their graduation. Did I tell you um the I I think it I don't know if they're preschool, but they're like kindergarten, they're very little. The that group had uh but they all do these little performances, and this one they did um I'm unstoppable by Sia. So I got to see them practice that for several weeks ahead of time, so that was great. Um the older kids did some kind of Star Wars thing, and and it was cute and everything. It was more fun for them, but I was like, no, there are there are Western Orioles in that tree above you where you're making all that noise. I was stressing out. But I hopefully the Oreoles will have survived because they did like this fake smoke and they had the laser to whatever those lightsaber.

SPEAKER_03

The lightsaber.

SPEAKER_00

That's it, that's it. I knew you I knew you'd knew. So yeah, it's kind of quiet here now, which is you know, is kind of weird, but um, and of course, tourists are starting to take over our area, but that's okay. It happens until school starts again. Yeah. But yeah, things are good. My mom's doing well. I don't know if I told you a while back, a couple months ago, she it was Easter Sunday, and she broke her ankle in three.

SPEAKER_02

Oh no.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, in three places. Oh, okay. So mom is 90, she's back in Wisconsin, and she broke her ankle in th in three bones and had to have emergency surgery. Oh and yeah, she got home a couple weeks later and has been doing really, really well. But um, yeah, I've been kind of helping her out with some things, as much as I can do from here. And um, yeah, so that's been keeping me a little busier than usual.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, no doubt.

SPEAKER_00

Of course, and Lori, of course, yeah.

SPEAKER_03

I'm sure Lori's probably doing the bulk of the work at home, right?

SPEAKER_00

Absolutely, because she's right there, so yeah, yeah. But I'm like, I I think I spent like three hours with her physical therapy team and that yesterday because she's gonna start transitioning to the next level down because she's doing well. So we were getting a little panicky, like, you mean you're just gonna leave her? You know, like what happens next? And so I had to get that kind of clear in everyone's head. So yeah, it's it's been keeping us busy, but she's doing well. Hey, Iowa Joe. And Iowa Joe wants to know, hey Matt, do you at least get to go to work the chain gang, or are you just stuck in the hole 24-7?

SPEAKER_03

Depends on the day, man. Depends on the day. And true north says broke her bone in three places. I suggest that she stay out of those places.

SPEAKER_00

Three, ha ha. Three her broke three bones. Did I say her bone in three places? I probably did. I'm so tired today. I was like such. I made the mistake of ingesting a little MSG and my whole world world just went. I am not supposed to have MSG. And once in a while, it's in something. I like that's why I don't go to Chinese restaurants anymore, even though I love Chinese food. But if I make them myself, I can, yeah. So there's been a lot of fun gossip this week.

SPEAKER_03

I was gonna say, yeah, you name you named the episode catching up on all the Packers offseason drama. There's been plenty in the last two weeks, Don. What do where do you want to start?

SPEAKER_00

Well, I wasn't sure if I should call it drama because I didn't want there has been a little drama, we know, but um it drama can be just dramatic. Like who's gonna get who's gonna get the starting position here and all of that? So yeah, so I think um I think maybe before we start with our superlatives, Maddie, we should talk about the thing that stressed all Packers fans out, no doubt, was the news about Josh Jacobs. Yeah. So um, Josh Jacobs, and of course, he's he if I'm not gonna say what everybody already knows, but my feeling is Josh has not been charged with anything and until that happens, it's not I mean it's of course it's a story, right? No doubt it's a story. But um, I haven't been involved, Matt, like you have on the socials that much. So what happened on the socials when when Josh the Josh Jacobs news hit?

SPEAKER_03

Well, let me ask you this. What do you think happened? Yeah, but you're gonna you're gonna guess correctly.

SPEAKER_00

I bet mayhem, mayhem. Everyone's decided one side or the other, yeah, jumping to call it.

SPEAKER_03

Um one of the best was Tyler Herrick, I think, is the one who said something to the effect of, and I I wish I had in front of me, but basically, like, yes, look, no matter what, like we need to be aware of the fact that victim there are victims, you know, situations like these, and we should focus on that because this person was hurt, you know, that's that's terrible. So whether or not you know Josh is guilty or whatever, let's just think about abuse victims for a minute, you know.

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Right.

SPEAKER_00

I thought that yes, and I did retweet, I did retweet that one. Um, I didn't tweet it, I blue-skyed it, whatever you call that.

SPEAKER_03

So you were on Twitter?

SPEAKER_00

No, I actually was I snuck on there a couple times for a different reason, but I'll tell you about that later. But anyway, um Tyler Herrick, and I thought that was the best response too. And I did it says, regardless of how the Josh Jacobs stuff plays out, if you or someone you know is involved in a domestic violence situation, help is available 24-7 via the National Domestic Violence Hotline. He gave the number, text 88788. I didn't know you could just text that number, so that's good to know. 88788 or call 800-799-7233. I thought it was just the most beautiful response that there could be, and that's all I wanted uh to say, you know, anybody should say about it at the moment. But of course, people are gonna jump to conclusions, and of course, we're disappointed.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

And I think um I think that's the best take. I'm glad that you happened to re-re-skeed it. I retweeted it, that's why I was able to find a thing I did. So we were both real on top of that. It was it was hands down the best take. Because yeah, we don't know what happened. I personally am inclined to believe uh victims. So my if I if I was like, you know, had to pick a side initially, it was going with you know, against Josh Jacobs, which I hate to do, but like if he did that kind of heinous stuff, then he needs to, you know, face the consequences for it. We don't know if he did. I'm not saying he did. Um in the end, what we want is justice to be served.

SPEAKER_00

Right.

SPEAKER_03

Ideally, we don't have to lose Josh Jacobs for any amount of time, but if he did it, send him to jail, lock him up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I think um back in the day, I was always, you know, on the side of believe the woman. And since I've been watching more and more trials over the last few years, I've seen that people can very easily be wrongly accused of things. And I I I also have like a really big chunk of my heart, even though I watch trials and I want to see justice happen, I get really infuriated when I find out that somebody's been wrongly accused of something because there is nothing, honestly. I don't know if you've ever had anything happen to you, but even in the littlest ways, if you're a kid and you're blamed for stealing somebody's, I don't know, eraser and it wasn't you, you feel really, you know, really upset that about your character being questioned. And so if it's I feel really upset if this is not true and the accusations were made. Um, on the other hand, we don't know what accusations were made. We don't even know really who the victim might have been potentially. We don't know if the police are the ones saying, well, this is what was reported, so therefore the we're making the accusations, you know. But what we do know now is that um it's up to the DA whether or not those accusation to investigate. And in DA's offices have their own investigative teams, in addition to the police that have their obviously their investigative teams. So that's the way it should be handled, it should be looked into. Um, but there are just more and more cases, and and maybe it happened always, but it seems like there are more and more cases where people are wrongly accused of this kind of thing. And that's very upsetting to me. So that's why I was super upset if it were true, but super upset either way, because there's nothing good that can ha come from that.

SPEAKER_03

Either way, yeah, it's like you know, we we've been told all the time that Josh Jacobs is this high character, like good locker room guy, good leader and stuff. So, like that's probably the reason why I really hope it's not true, because I don't want that to be that it that image be destroyed, you know. Um while at the same time recognizing we can't always, you know, trust the persona just because how they're portrayed isn't that's who they really are, and that's true with anyone famous, you know.

SPEAKER_02

It's very true.

SPEAKER_03

But I was gonna say one of the things that I one of the many things, Don, that I love about you is like because you know the legal, like kind of procedures and proceedings and how things kind of go down better than most folks do, like your opinion and your takes on stuff like this are ones that really value and listen to you. So it's like, oh no, Don actually knows what she's talking about. Oh so you know, I appreciate that about you.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I thank you. I I I try to, and I did like I've seen enough trials and accusations thrown out there. There was just recently a big case um where Blake Lively, who is a famous person, accused Justin Baldoni, who she was on a movie with, of of um, you know, I'm not gonna repeat what she but the charges were dropped, and they still did have a case going back and forth, and ultimately they settled and that type of thing. It doesn't sound like um, you know, of course, with Josh, we're nowhere near that, but sometimes it can just be perception, it could be a misunderstanding, there could be a lot of alcohol involved. Um, you know, I I really didn't even know, like, was his family there? Was his dad there? Is this a meat? I mean, we don't really, really, really know too much, and maybe that's better because until until the evidence is out there, um we don't know what we don't know. And what I will also say is um I'm not sure if you saw Jordan Love's comments when he was asked about Josh Jacobs being back on the field for practice.

SPEAKER_03

I didn't. No, I didn't actually.

SPEAKER_00

Um, I was really paying attention to how Jordan Love was gonna answer that. And first of all, man, is that guy matured? And by the way, congratulations on the baby. I was just waiting. I was just like, when are we gonna hear about this baby? Um but it he didn't say anything, but he did. And he he seemed to have a lot of confidence in Josh Jacobs and when asked about this particular thing about their arrest. And so in fact, I think one of the questions was well, was it a little awkward for you to see Josh Jacobs? And and Jordan was absolutely not, because I know who Geor Josh Jacobs is. Okay, and I was like, okay, that says a lot. That says a lot. I mean, doesn't mean there aren't going to be charges or anything like that, but that really does say a lot. But yeah, yeah, it wasn't, and then I also noticed, and I don't know if this was I mean, I'm guessing everything is staged these days and you know, for internet consumption, but there were lots of clips of J Lo and and Josh practicing in lockstep together doing their you know calisthenics and whatnot, the warmups. So I yeah, until it's until it's official, it's not official. And anything can be true, multiple things can be true. I do hope it's not true. Yeah, I do hope desperately that that it that it's not true in the way that it's been portrayed, let's put it that way.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

And also, um, on my last point on that, I just lost my thought. I just had the one really important. It's like it was really something important. Oh, okay. Here's the last thing I want to say. And I want to hear what you think about this, Maddie. I've always been of the belief, and maybe I'm old-fashioned, but I think it's actually still true. We we are a reflection of the people that we surround ourselves with. And if nothing else, let's say this is an untrue accusation or it's just wildly exaggerated or whatever, and that's what comes out in the in the end, then I hope that everybody, including first of all Josh, but everybody who pays attention to this thinks carefully about who they closely associate with, including dating or whatever, because if you're dating somebody or friends with somebody, associated with somebody that you would people would say, yeah, that person is associated with you, and they're and they're and they're willing to you know make up a false accusation for money or whatever, um that's that's still a failure on your part.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

That sounds harsh. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

No, I mean I totally agree. It's like I've had Twitter friends reach out to say, hey, just so you know, you're following a person who just said some really messed up stuff. Like, don't know if you actually want to associate your like be associated with that person because like your name's out there as a follower. Like, I appreciate what people, you know, kind of uh call me in, you know, as a word for that kind of stuff. Because yeah, no, I totally agree. Like, if you are hanging with somebody, you're basically saying that you're okay with them, at least on some level. No, I mean, there are kind of interesting um nuances, uh, as with anything. Uh, for example, uh I don't agree with everything politically that my in-laws, you know, would talk about or believe, but I love them and we we see them regularly, and they're important part of our lives as a family. So like there's there's nuance, you know, but uh if it's friends, people have it you have more of a say in because you don't choose your family uh entirely. Um, you know, I think I think what you're what you're saying really rings true for me at least.

SPEAKER_00

Right. Well, one of the things that has come out several times when especially in the NFL or other um fields where people are super famous, make lots of money, and have lots of followers, is um, you know, if you there it it you're kind of a target, right? If you have a lot of money, or if people think you have a lot of money, you're kind of a target. You've got to kind of be careful, extra careful about who you're with because they might do something untoward that might to benefit themselves financially or in other ways that could really hurt you. And it doesn't just hurt you, but as a team player, it's hurting the whole team if that type of thing were to happen. So, you know, and I don't want to say best case scenario because I don't want to say the best case scenario is that somebody's accusing him of a crime that he didn't commit, because that's not a great situation. But you know, I just I don't I don't know. I just am hoping that there's some kind of misunderstanding, something was blown out of proportion, somebody overreacted, um, and that's hopefully all it is. And but if it isn't, then I think I would really be upset. Um, I'm already kind of upset because it's already kind of soiled the practice season and the headlines, and we don't want that for our, you know, Packers are always talking about picking players and team members that are of high character. So this doesn't represent a person of high character if true, if the accusations are even partly true, and it doesn't even if the they're false, because that's who they're hanging with, somebody who could do that. So I think yeah, so in that sense, yeah, I put a lot of words in there that I probably didn't need to, but yeah, that's how I feel about the line.

SPEAKER_03

So I wanted to uh highlight for a second something that True North said, by the way, true north and Joe, hey guys, um said in the chat here, and um you had mentioned you know that the the DA has an investigative unit, and the cops, of course, do. And so do the Packers and so does the NFL. So what True North said was Yeah, so uh true North said the wild card in the Jacob situation is what will the NFL do? So it's like because he could be totally found entirely, you know, um not guilty, and the NFL might still have an issue with something and might still suspend it for a number of games like that.

SPEAKER_00

Has happened in the past, so it certainly has, and I I I wonder about that, and I wonder if there'll be lawsuits going that way too, if that happens, because the NFL, but on the other hand, I think that's where the whole idea of who you're picking your friends, who are your friends, because you're not just reflecting on your team, you're reflecting on the NFL. Yeah, and you know, I was in an Uber today and talking with the Uber driver, he said he was a Chargers fans. I don't know what what got there, but who knows what got there. But anyway, um I said something, I must have said something. I didn't say anything about Josh Jacobs, but I talked about the charges for one of our players, and um he's like, Oh, which one now? Not being the Packers, but which NFL player now?

SPEAKER_03

Oh, I'd say what?

SPEAKER_00

Packers right, right, yeah, which NFL player now, sure. And that's why the NFL does that, but on the other hand, they could get themselves in trouble by overstepping as well. If um, you know, and I did hear somebody talk, I can't remember who it was, but I wholeheartedly disagreed with what they said because they were talking about McManus, they were talking about Watson, just Deshaun Watson. Yeah, and they were saying, well, he they were found not guilty. No, that is not true. They didn't go to trial, they didn't go to a criminal trial, they settled, and they have non-disclosure agreements and for a reason, and so that's wholly different than not guilty. That's a settlement, and so and and you can settle even if let's say Josh didn't do anything wrong, but he wants this to go away, and that's what it takes to make it go away quickly. He could settle, and so the NFL could then s step in and say, Well, you know, you were involved in this and this, and I I don't think the NFL, I was gonna look into this tonight, I forgot for tonight. I don't think the NFL can step in unless he's at least been officially charged with a one of the misdemeanors.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

If there are no charges and only an accusation and they step in, they're opening themselves up for a lawsuit big time.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, interesting. Okay.

SPEAKER_00

In my opinion. Right. And it has happened with the NFL. So we'll see what happens there. Yeah. But yeah, for sure. And and um, and his if it was Josh's girlfriend, there's uh talk about who that might be. I hope that I don't say anything to offend her or any woman. Sure. Um, I'm not saying I don't believe her. I'm just saying these are all the possibilities, if if not true. Um, and if true, then yeah, like you said, go get 'em. Josh.

SPEAKER_02

Please don't be.

SPEAKER_00

Packer anymore. If it were true, if he actually does get charges, I don't think the Packers will be keeping him. Isn't his contract up? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Uh yeah, and I mean I think that the organization is they're not perfect about who they do or don't bring on. I mean, Brett Brett McMahon is a good is a good example of that, right? Like it's a little it was a little dodgy still. Like, you know, it was it wasn't a fully resolved thing, it seemed like. But it wasn't as bad as say, like, you know, Deshaun Watson. So I would hope that if he's found guilty, that the Packers, you know, let him go as fast as possible. I would think so. They don't want that kind of bad PR, they don't want that kind of reputation. Uh, you're always talking about the Raiders being the team that that almost leans into having that kind of reputation. And so we know the Packers are not the Raiders.

SPEAKER_00

That's right. And I will admit that when you texted me, Maddie, and we were talking about this, I was like, well, always a Raider. And then I kind of felt bad that I said that because you know, that's that's not fair either. But they do have that reputation too. So and he hasn't he doesn't have a spotless record. He did have a DUI at one point. Um, but I also have a tendency, even with the amount of um ex you know, things that I was exposed to in my personal life, you know, dealing with an actual person who was really bad and a real criminal and trying to murder people. Um I always do still, when I s see cases, there's a part of me that really likes to keep things in perspective. What was their background? Did they have a mom? Did they have a dad? Did they have a stable background? And I found myself looking back at some of the articles about Josh and his upbringing, and I really liked his dad, and you know, he they were homeless at times, and the dad then took custody of all five children, and you just kind of wonder sometimes if a person can have unresolved issues, and you know, I have a lot of grace for people. I don't, of course, tolerate any kind of um you know, violence, especially against a woman, but um I like to try to keep things somewhat in perspective, but yeah, I don't even think if he's found guilty. I think if he's charged that the Packers are going to be moving on as soon as they can. I really do think that. Um so that's what I have to say about it.

SPEAKER_03

There you go. All right, another topic I want to discuss with you, Don, before we get to superlatives. Uh, Christian Watson, big contract extension. Do you have any reactions to that?

SPEAKER_00

Well, not surprised, and yay, and for some reason I thought that happened before our last that's how I've lost track of time when you said that. I was like, oh my gosh. Yeah, what a guy. What a great. I like him. He's just a happy guy, and um, he's worked so hard. You know, he's had injuries. He got what was the extended, like how many years finally. So yeah, it's coming together. The young guys are getting their contracts, and I love to see it. What are your thoughts?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, big time because I feel like with how small the guaranteed money is, if for some reason it doesn't seem to be working out with him, like it's not that bad to cut beta as if it were if as if it would be if he had a lot more guaranteed, of course. Um, I like him a lot. I think that he's gotten past a lot of his health issues because he's gotten like better conditioning, you know, coaches and stuff like that. And I think you know, all the concerns about him being like, you know, injury prone uh hopefully are in the past, and when he's at his full his full power, man, he's good. He's so fast and he doesn't drop a lot of balls, and you know, like yeah, he just has like such a great attitude, it seems like. So I'm really happy for him. Uh a lot of people, you know, of course, again, social media being what it was or what it is for their um a lot of people were just saying stupid stuff, but most of those are like really under informed takes, surprise, surprise. Um, for like a bad take, the person doesn't know what they're talking about, you know. Um so yeah, I'm really happy to see it. Made me very happy.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it me too, me too. Have you heard any much about Matthew Matthew Golden's um performances on the field in the practice?

SPEAKER_03

He's doing really well, it sounds like, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I haven't heard much, but the only thing I have heard is yeah, he's looking really good.

SPEAKER_03

So yeah, yeah, a lot of how good he's looking. I think as Jaden Rito was saying, like, he thinks that Matthew Golden's gonna be a major part of the offense, and it's really gonna like surprise people this year with how good he is, which I hope so. I love it. Oh, I hope so.

SPEAKER_00

I'm looking forward to a fun season. I sure am. So yeah.

SPEAKER_03

But it seems like right now a lot of people.

SPEAKER_00

It's time for this week's superlatives. And I just cut you off. I thought you did.

SPEAKER_03

That's okay. I was gonna say just real fast, then we can do superlatives. Um seems like a lot of people are kind of not really giving the Packers much of a fighting chance, not a lot of credit, not thinking they'll be like that great this year. I can see like the argument for it, but in the end, I really feel like a lot of people, like national folks, are undervaluing the impact that the loss of Josh, um, not Josh Reddit, or Micah Parsons, that is, and you know, Tucker Kraft, and even Devontae Wyatt, like the negative impact that had on the team, you know, the last half of the season last year, and how that's they're gonna be back. They're gonna be back in good health, you know, even with Micah Parsons not being in for at least the first four games. Yeah. Even still, um, I think just people are not thinking about the bigger context and and not giving the Packers enough credit for how good they will very likely be this year. Um, I think it will be a very fun season, and that was all I was gonna say about that, Don.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I think that's gonna make it more sweet when we have you know a really good season. Um, I think we're gonna have a really strong season, and uh, I'm not gonna make any predictions or anything, but I don't think we're gonna be a mediocre team by any stretch of the imagination. We're going to be in the playoffs as usual, um, as almost usual. So I'm feeling good about it so far. Um, I I will say that, yeah, for sure, back to the the Josh Jacobs things. I was like, oh, we don't need that. Like, we don't need that. We need that running back. But in OTAs, it sounds like the running back room is really strong. So that I found that very hopeful. I don't know if you've heard that, but it's like, hey, I was right away because I didn't want um Emmanuel Wilson to go.

SPEAKER_03

I know, I think he said go.

SPEAKER_00

But he might be uh he might be fetched back if he's on a practice squad. It's so far it looks like he's still only on the practice squad, I believe, for the Seahawks. Is that where he went?

SPEAKER_01

I think so.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. So um, yeah, a lot can happen between now and um kick off. Yes.

SPEAKER_03

Indeed, a lot will happen. That's true. All right, on so superlatives. Uh, you have some this week?

SPEAKER_00

I have some. I have some, Maddie. And let's let me start if that's okay with you.

SPEAKER_03

Totally.

SPEAKER_00

Um, and I don't I had this for a couple weeks ago. So because we spoke about Josh Jacobs, um, I want to talk about Stefan Diggs because he had a not guilty verdict in Dedham, Massachusetts, and I actually watched that very, very short trial. And I just want to say you can find it on YouTube. If you need help finding it, I'll send it over to you. It's it was a very short trial, so it's not a super long investment like some of these trials that go on for weeks and months. So it it that but that doesn't mean he wasn't guilty. That doesn't mean that I believe that because I listened to the testimony. So what I'm gonna say about this is first of all, it's Dedham, Massachusetts. So if anyone is following uh anything going on with Karen Reed or any of the peripheral police problems and and um um uh trials of policemen in that area, and and I'll I'm sorry, my words are not coming because I've still got a migraine. But um, if you're watching all the peripheral Karen Reed stuff, that's from the same area. And so it was kind of weird to see another trial there of all places. Same, you know, same courtrooms, a lot of the same characters. So um, so anyway, Stefan Diggs was accused of something similar to uh what Josh what we're hearing happened with the Josh Jacobs case. Josh Jacobs has not been charged. So what happened is um the it went to trial. Uh Stefan Diggs said, no, no, no, no, no, I'm gonna fight this. And it was a criminal trial, not a civil trial. Okay, because that's a whole nother conversation. But we're talking about a criminal charge that was made in detham. In that case, it wasn't a DA, it's a state prosecutor, it's a different jurisdiction, blah, blah, blah. So anyway, um the star witness was the actual person who was making the accusation, the one who was violated with very, very similar charges. It sounded very much similar. Um and she was a horrible witness. She but when she was on the stand and talking about that particular thing about the crime, I believed her 100%. And I've heard other people say this as well. I want to say maybe Florio, maybe even Aizen, I'm not sure. So I was surprised that they went out and came out and said that out loud. So I believed her, but she undermined her testimony by uh talking about all kinds of other peripheral things that were going on. One of the worst things a witness can do on the stand is just start blabbing, right?

SPEAKER_02

Sure, sure.

SPEAKER_00

If if you're under oath, just answer the questions, don't keep going. But so they had, you know, financial arguments, they had all kinds of other things going on. So she looked like she lacked credibility because of that. But in any case, also the the state did not put on a good case. They had her as a witness, and I believe one police officer. That was it. That was it. And the defense for Stefan Diggs, of course, was high quality, and they ripped her to shreds, as well as the police officer. And it almost seemed like the prosecutor for Dedham was by halfway through the trial, which was a very short trial, it was like two days.

SPEAKER_03

I was talking about a short, okay. I see.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah, really short. And he was like he knew it was over for for the k for the state. And um, but again, I'm not saying I agreed. I mean, if I were on the jury, I would probably I would understand why they couldn't come with up with a guilty. So even when there's a case where somebody is found not guilty, that doesn't necessarily mean if you're paying attention to those who watch, and I do believe a lot of people saw that trial in her testimony, they might not believe he's really not guilty. So the damage is done.

SPEAKER_03

Ah, sure. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right. So, um yeah, so when I was gonna talk about this trial a few weeks a couple weeks ago, I didn't I got spaced on it or whatever. My takeaway was I really hope everyone learned from this. Meaning, um, because Stefan Diggs defense attorney came out and said people need to stop targeting NFL players. And then a couple weeks later, here we are. With a so when I responded to you, I was like, Well, I'm not so sure. Just because he was had the finger pointed, and a lot of people are saying, Well, there was screaming, and neighbors, you know, got video and an audio of the yelling. Okay, well, maybe there was yelling. Um, she was taken away, somebody was taken away in an ambulance. Well, if I were I might be taken away in an ambulance if I were super upset. Maybe, you know, I needed mental health support or something like that. It doesn't mean what you might think it means.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_00

And so I just wanted to bring that one back up because in in the c I don't know anything about Josh Jacobs, but in the case of Stefan Diggs, there was a lot of people who were really paying attention, including people who were paying attention to his teammates who said I would never trust him with my sister for a minute. I don't think that has been said about Josh Jacobs, right? So you know, I just, you know, until we see what we see, and we might not ever see everything.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Um, it's best to just hold your hold your, you know, fire, in my opinion.

SPEAKER_03

Hold your fire.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Give your judgments in check until we know better.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so it was kind of interesting because that happened so quickly right after Stefan Diggs' trial. Now, I will say too, um, with Stefan Diggs, he was, I think he was arrested. I think it was a similar situation where you know the charges were made, he was released, and then it took a little while before the the state prosecutor in that case, not the DA's office, um determined, yeah, let's go forward with this. Now that now, also in addition, there can be civil trials, there can be civil charges. Like if the female uh the victim, or the alleged victim in this case of Stefan Diggs, or both cases, wants to pursue damages civilly, that's a whole different matter, and those are generally not shared with the public. So, and then in those cases, many times, many times, people that have a lot of uh you know, extra cash on that, you know, they just want the thing to go away. So they don't want to go through a trial, they don't want to take the time, it's time consuming, it's disruptive, it's exhausting. So sometimes they step, just will settle, and even then you can't really make a judgment. Um, so until it's all out there, we just you know, that's my take on the whole thing. But I did want to kind of draw the parallel, and I I I'm sorry that I'm drawing it to Stefan Diggs, who has like a real bad reputation. Um that's what I have on hand at the moment because it was most recent. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Well, it's interesting to look at like similar situations that have happened in the last, you know, let's say two years or something. Um Joe said in the chat, not trying to condone any actions, but he could have just had enough and snapped. Maybe he was the one being attacked and just had enough and fought back. Don't know, some chance. I think it's a reasonable take as well. Because we don't know what happened. Like all we have right now is just guesses.

SPEAKER_00

So yeah, so don't there could have been drinking involved or something like that. And and I will say there are certain personalities who um I'm trying to think if I can find another parallel I can't catch right at the moment, but where they just like at you and at you and at you until you snap, right? I can't think of the word, but um, and then oh, I'm calling the police, right? It's like, hey, man, you know, that is what their mission was the whole time. And so that's what I'm saying about, you know, Stefan Diggs lawyer came out and said, hey, you know, people need to stop targeting NFL players. My my take on that is NFL players need to start being more discerning about who they're spending their time with.

SPEAKER_03

Fair.

SPEAKER_00

Because if this is truly happening and if it's false accusations, that talks about that's their character. And if you want to be with a high character team, then you're gonna associate with high character people off the field as well as on. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

All right, good on.

SPEAKER_00

So I don't have any thoughts about that at all, but that yeah, that yeah, but I I really will be heartbroken if there's even any truth to that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

What do you have first, Natty?

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so my first superlative. Best limited return. So we we we we've been given a nice gift here, Don, but we've been told it's for limited, uh limited time only. It's uh like how some people feel about like a McRib, for example, you know, or uh any kind of limited edition thing. We have a limited edition podcast co-hosting situation here on Packaday on Tuesdays because Jake and Jacob are taking a little time off. We get Andrew Murtig and Maggie Loney together together again. It's and it's so good. Um they are going over like previews of each of the games of each of the opponents, really, that we have for the season. And I just love hearing their takes on these things, you know. I mean, we all need more more Maggie in our lives for sure, like without a doubt. And Andrew's such a good um has such a good rapport with her, you know, and his takes of it too, of course. But um, yeah, I'm I'm really enjoying it. I I wish that they would stay around longer, but I also understand that like they the reason why they stepped back from Packaday is because they just have a lot of stuff going on and want to be able to focus on other parts of their life. So um, you know, so it's also as much as as much as it's a shout out to the work they do, it's also a note of appreciation for the fact that they are, you know, uh sharing their talents with us and doing a weekly spot on Packaday.

SPEAKER_00

I love that, Matt. When did they start with this?

SPEAKER_03

Uh a few weeks ago.

SPEAKER_00

Schedule release, probably. Probably.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, probably around that time. I mean, we knew we knew who the opponents were though, you know, before that.

SPEAKER_02

True, true.

SPEAKER_03

Um but yeah, I mean, I think they've done three or four episodes now. So they they actually did start before our last episode that we did, but I didn't get around to uh mentioning them last time. So I was looking for them.

SPEAKER_00

I was looking for them on YouTube again because I keep thinking, can you just put that on YouTube? Um, I do want to say um oh I I had a thought there and I totally forgot because that was just adorable. I just think that's so adorable. Sorry, sorry, totally lost my thought. It'll come back to me. That's a great one. I will look for it. Um and Tuesday. Oh, I know what I was gonna say. It's interesting because you said you weren't sure because we knew who the opponents were gonna be, right? But timing is everything.

SPEAKER_03

Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So it's kind of good that they held back until the schedule, if they'd held back, because the schedule release, because timing is everything, especially in injury prone league, you know, sport in general. And so the later you get, there's a lot of different factors that can play in too. So hopefully we will have zero injuries this season, and every single team will have zero injuries, to be honest. But um the way that the games are stacked up and synchronized, you know, or chronolog chronolized, chronolized, I don't know what the word is. Um yeah, anyway, um can make a huge difference too. Because if you have the wrong like a crappy team when you're when you're all injured, you could lose to a crappy team and can just bounce you way back down into the to the you know, under the top ten where we're accustomed to being top three.

SPEAKER_03

To the toilet bowl.

SPEAKER_00

All right, Maddie. Um, so my next superlative, a little bit more positive. Um, and I am hoping for a positive outcome for for Josh and his his girlfriend. Um I heart Miles Garrett so much, and I'm so happy to see him out of Cleveland.

SPEAKER_03

Sure, yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I just had to say it. Um, that was fun news, right? There's been a lot of fun news.

SPEAKER_03

I mean, fun and like the fact that the Rams defense will be really, really I know. I mean it's gonna be bananas, but I know, but we have to play them this year, and that that's a bummer.

SPEAKER_00

I agree. That was my second part to it because I do plan to attend that game, and I do want to see him playing as a Ram. I probably never would have seen him playing as the Brown. Um, but I just I've always really liked I had a place in my heart for Wild Scarrot. Um, but yeah, be able to see him. And no, I don't want to lose to him. I think we'll win.

SPEAKER_03

But who knows? LaFleur hasn't lost to uh to uh what's the name McVeigh yet? You know, so we'll see. We'll see. We got his number, it seems like.

SPEAKER_00

That's right. No, I think so. Um and that is a little bit later. That's right before that's the night before Thanksgiving, right? So Micah Parsons will be back by then, and yeah, a lot of things can change. And they're still going with Stafford.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. So, you know, who knows how's gonna happen.

SPEAKER_00

I mean, the way he's come through for them has been spectacular so far, but it's gotta end sometime, right? Yeah, all right, Matty, what's your next superlative?

SPEAKER_03

Father time comes for all of us. Uh yeah, so my next one, most fun interview. Oh, Don, this was awesome. So when you think back on like your favorite Packers, not necessarily like for their work on the field, but for like just their presence in interviews and stuff like that, like who's somebody who you think back on? I'm fond late for that.

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I have a feeling I know where you're going with this. Um who do I personally see because that's now clouding everything. Um, because he was everywhere this week. Um I mean, I think for me it's the old times.

SPEAKER_02

Okay.

SPEAKER_00

Because it brings back my childhood and that type of thing. So who do you have in mind, Maddie?

SPEAKER_03

Well, for one of my one of my favorite people all time for their interviews and stuff has to be Jamal Williams, right? He's so silly and just like never took himself seriously and was just like just really funny, you know. And like a huge, like, you know, he he called himself a self-proclaimed nerd, is what he was, you know. Um, just super fun guy. And he he had a Jamal Williams show with some of the guys from Game On Wisconsin back when they were still doing other stuff. That was a ton of fun and um, you know, to to watch and check out. So, anyhow, um kind of feels like a a coming back to that because Jimmy Christensen got Jamal Williams uh for like an hour-long interview that they put to in the Pack a Day channel, I think this past Sunday. And Jamal Williams hasn't changed at all. He's still just as silly, just looks as crazy as ever. And you know, it helps that he and Jimmy know each other from having done the show together before, you know, because Jamal Williams is very much like just himself in it, and Jimmy knows how to kind of like uh hurt herd the the you know cats that are inside of Jamal Williams' brain, the way how he thinks and talks and moves through things. Uh so Jimmy can kind of like steer him through the stuff. Um it was just it was so fun. It was so fun to listen to. I was like making breakfast on Sunday morning for the family and listening to it, just smiling the whole time. It was great.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. Yes, and Jamal made an appearance with Tom Grassi this week on his.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, yes, right. They said he was gonna do that.

SPEAKER_00

Yes. And he was where else did I see him? He was everywhere. I'm like, he's everywhere. Is he coming back to Green Bay? Is he coming back to Green Bay? I mean, I started thinking, like, is this uh is this a thing?

SPEAKER_03

I mean, he said that he would love to, but we'll have to see what a team is. A team has to pick him up, so but he's putting it out there kind of like uh Aaron Donald saying, yeah, I still want to play.

SPEAKER_00

Did Aaron Donald say that?

SPEAKER_03

He was saying like he he could see himself playing as kind of expressed some interest, a little lukewarm, but I I think I I haven't read like an in-depth stuff, but I think it's basically like if he can get himself back into good enough shape that he feels like he's ready for it, he is at least considering it. Which man, don't they have Moz Garrett, and you know, uh older but still it's still Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald. Um look out. Yeah, it's pretty rough, it's be rough for everybody. It's gonna be amazing and fun to watch, but it's gonna be rough for everybody that's playing.

SPEAKER_02

For sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_00

Well, um, pivoting over to my final superlative, I think it's my final. Um did you pick up on people spazzing out about Packers um giving Zaire Franklin the green dot?

SPEAKER_03

Like a little bit. Yeah, I mean I think some people had some weird concerns about it, but yeah, go for go for it.

SPEAKER_00

Well, I will say for this superlative, it's um best perspective. I thought it was the best perspective, and it goes to Aaron Nagler. And um, and I'm paraphrasing, I'm not quoting him in any way because I didn't have the brains to write down what he said, and I was too late when I thought about it. Um so he he was basically saying for those comp uh complaining about Matt LaFleur not letting Jordan Love like let it rip and just let let J Lo throw. And I think there was the same criticism, you know, of him with with um, oh, what's his name? What's his name? Oh, Aaron Rodgers, that's right. So um what's his name? What's his name? Um, so you know, why doesn't he just let him throw the ball or whatever? Like he's afraid of passing. Anywho, uh so he said for those complaining about Matt LaFleur not letting J Lo let it rip, um, hey, go watch a Browns game. I just thought that was gonna, I mean, it was kind of succinct, but what he was saying, and and I liked that. I think it really hit me because I do watch so many game as many games as I can, including the Browns. Um, I will watch every team I possibly can get my hands on and have enough time to watch. And so, in other words, he was just saying, look at the other teams out there. Have you only watched the Packers? Because that doesn't give you a whole lot of perspective. If you watch some other, and he, you know, he used the Browns, but let's just be, you know, any other team, you're gonna see similar tendencies. People, you know, coaches who you know want to balance between the run and pass game and that type of thing. So I just like the way he said it. I thought it was funny.

SPEAKER_03

So that is interesting that you mentioned Aaron Nagler for two reasons. One, we hardly ever talk about him, which is kind of silly given how um big a figure he is in the you know Packers fan content out there. Um, you know, uh he's a he's a he's a big figure. He he's uh you know, seminal as the co-creator of Cheesehead TV, which has done a lot for a lot of people in terms of watching their careers in this in this you know space. Um and it's also funny because I also have an Aaron Nagler thing to talk about this week. So somehow we both arrived on the same person in the same time, a person we hardly ever talk about, which is strange that we don't, but anyhow, uh what I've got here for you down for my third superlative is best reminder. So um, as you know, right, um, Biz Lombardi was a very um progressive in a lot of ways, uh person and coach, and somebody who had no tolerance for intolerance, you know, right. Um, especially when it came to the players who were people of color and anybody who was homosexual, because his younger brother, right, was homosexual. And so anytime anybody would use a slur really to any of those things, he put his foot down, he would, he would, I think, like fire people for, you know, questioning somebody else's manhood, you know, and trying to like insinuate they're gay or whatever. Um and this is the thing that like it's good to be reminded every now and then, because it's a cool piece of you know our our Packers history. So Aaron Eggler put out a pretty quick um article, and it's so I'm not why I'm not saying like best article, like in-depth thing, is it's pretty short, but that's all it needed to be for the purposes. It was um just called Why Vince Lombardi's Legacy Matters during Prime Month.

SPEAKER_02

Right.

SPEAKER_03

And I really appreciated that. Um, it made me want to go find like a like a more in-depth thing for sure, because I'm I bet that's out there somewhere. But uh hats off, Aaron Dagler. Thanks for reminding us of that. That's that's that's good stuff.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yes, I saw that. It it is a good reminder, um, and there is a lot out there on Lynn uh Vince Lombardi's sense of justice and right and wrong, and um we love that in a coach, and we back to what we started with in our conversation today, just to kind of tie this all together. Um I would think that Vince Lombardi would be appalled at how quickly people will jump to conclusions just based on one accusation or one you know thing. It is really not that hard, and it is really not that hard for a person who wants to, who has the will to defame, to slander, to make up lies, to run a campaign, and then all of a sudden the police are involved. I mean, it's really not that hard to do, and I think more and more these days, and you would think it'd be less hard to do these days, but it seems more and more um to be happening. Like I said earlier, maybe we're just hearing it about it more, but I don't think that's true. I think that people have learned how to game systems and that type of thing. So yeah, there's a lot about um Vince Lombardian. Maybe I'll make that be a um be a subject at one point that you know, like three superlatives of Vince Lardi, because I haven't done a Vince Lombardi thing in a while. He's so great. Um really um just a strong anchor in of morality and justice and what's right, yeah, like that. And I don't think um Matt LaFleur is any different. I just think that um or go Gudikans for that matter. I I just think that times have changed. And back to what I was saying about the NFL posit, like you were saying too, about the NFL possibly taking action regardless of what happens in the courtroom. Um the coaches, the personnel are really shut down, like they can't express themselves, honestly. They have to like not say anything. Where in the past, I think people were more likely to say, hey, that wasn't true. We have different like we have a different account of this. That's not happening. It's just like we'll wait till the we'll wait till the legal system plays out, you know. It's like, oh my gosh. It's kind of stifling, right? And to look at Lombardi, it's like that's feels very freeing to me.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, I mean, because I'm sure you know better than anybody, like we live in a very like litigation-heavy time. So I think probably less so in Lombardi's time. People could more say what they you know felt without worrying about getting sued about it, right?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it it's it's um oh, and Iowa Joe is saying people can be horrible this month. Some of the comments when team social media accounts talk about celebrating. Yeah, it yeah. What's the point? Like what's the point? Because that makes you feel better about yourself than somebody else. Like, what's the point? I don't get it.

SPEAKER_03

That's exactly it. Yeah. Some people are just they have a lot of anger and a lot of hate, and they throw it in places where they don't have to face any sort of ramifications of it because there's nobody there to punch them in the face for saying something awful.

SPEAKER_00

Right, right.

SPEAKER_03

You know.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I mean, talk about litigation heavy, you would think um it's really hard to like get a defamation lawsuit or whatever, because then you I mean there's a whole thing to that, but there's a lot of defamation going on um out there, and you just never know, people, when you're commenting or saying something. You might just be the one who got the lucky number and you got sued. You get sued and you don't want to be in court. Like you don't want that. It's expensive, it's it's stressful, it's time consuming. So better, you know, and again, my point being that's why the Packers are, you know, everybody's shutting everything down these days, because it, you know, like to your point, it's litigation heavy. You don't want to be there. So if you're spouting off on Twitter or wherever, hey, God bless you because you might be the next one. It might be your number. And if you, you know, if somebody can say you caused me damages, actual damages, you know, I got fired or you know, whatever, I lost sleep, whatever. If they can prove it in court, good luck to you. Good luck.

SPEAKER_03

Well, Don, that was my last episode, but I also have a a sort of bonus this week that I wanted to talk about, okay? I like that. So I want to do a a moment of appreciation. Um, you know, with the with the OTAs happening, a lot of the sort of uh you know, commenters and even reporters and content makers have been a little more dormant, and they kind of you know, it's like it's like the flowers opening back up for a little bit, a little bit of like spring rain, you know?

SPEAKER_02

Yes.

SPEAKER_03

So a moment of appreciation. Um Wes Hokkowitz and Mike Spockford, of course, with Packers.com. Um, I just so enjoy their work, especially when they do episodes of Packers Unscripted. And I was thinking about this uh earlier today. There is a feeling they give me when I'm listening to Unscripted that is exactly the same as, and follow me on this, Don, when it's a Saturday and it's lunchtime, you're like, you know what? I'm gonna make myself a sandwich. And so you make yourself a nice little sandwich. Maybe it's got like, you know, some turkey and cheese, and you put some condiments on it. You know, you know, I don't, of course, you don't go for condiments, but you know, you take some time to make a nice sandwich, and you get some some sun chips out of the out of the pantry, and you cut yourself an apple, you're like, you're taking the time to like make a really nice, hearty meal that's gonna make you happy, it's not gonna make you full, you're gonna feel good about it, and you have to really enjoy eating it. And that's what listening to Packers Unscripted is like. It just makes me happy, makes me feel like it's a Saturday, and I'm doing something that's just gonna like kind of fill my brain up, you know, a little bit. Um, and and uh I'm always glad that I listened. And I often put them to the top of my my queue on my podcasts because I just I just love their stuff so much. So just a quick shout out to my my favorite Saturday lunch feeling uh reporters, uh Wes and Mike, who of course we we've had them both on the podcast uh here, they were fantastic guests.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, they were.

SPEAKER_03

Just appreciate them.

SPEAKER_00

I love that. Um it's funny because I I was listening to them before we went on, and because Mike and Wes, um Mike went fishing, and Wes uh went golfing, and so they had a little time to themselves. And so they missed like one of the OTAs, I think. So they came back after that. So I watched, you know, I listened to them before they left, and it's like I wanted to hear about their fishing and their golfing. Sounds like they're both doing well in both departments, and so yeah, no, they're they're they're fantastic, they're great. Oh, um, I was listening to, or was I reading? I can't remember, Justice, because I read absolutely devour everything Justice Moscato does. Um I think he was on um with Andy for his like weekly chat, Andy Herman. And he says some Andy said something my and uh they were kind of just going back and forth, and Andy was like, I don't know where that came from. Whatever. It was just kind of a funny little quick from Justice about well, they do work from Packers.com because because Mike had a take on something. I can't even remember what it is anymore, but I thought it was kind of funny. But they are definitely part of the team, but they give us that like that um that little pathway to the team that we wouldn't otherwise have. I mean, uh a reporter reporters can do that, but they do it in a way that we get a little better peek at things, don't you think? And I think that's why they're so appetizing. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, they have a lot more like direct um what's what I'm trying to think of, uh, connection, contact um to the players uh that we don't get from a lot of the other, you know, uh media sources. So I appreciate that. But like honestly, I understand why people would make a criticism of like, oh, they're they're soft, and they're not gonna like be critical of the team. The thing is, I've heard them both be critical of the team, and I also think that even if they were both not working for the team, I think they'd still be the exact same kind of like you reporter slash content creator slash whatever that they are, because I think they're just both people who are very like want to see the good in people, um, are realistic about things, but like aren't here to be cynical and sarcastic about things, you know. That's just kind of like the kind of people they are.

SPEAKER_00

Exactly.

SPEAKER_03

So I don't think it's like they're they're like you know on the payroll, so they're not kind of like slander the team. That's not what it's like, I don't think. And when people jump to the conclusion, I feel like it's disingenuous, and it's kind of like, have you listened to their stuff? Do you really know them? And they're really like, I don't think you do if you're making that claim, you know. And like Spofford himself has addressed that numerous times in the past, you know.

SPEAKER_00

I think what it is maybe that you're alluding to is like being sandwiches, like that turkey sandwich, is they're really very Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_03

That's part of it.

SPEAKER_00

You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_03

They definitely are.

SPEAKER_00

And not everybody is like a lot of these reporters come from other states, they're not necessarily Packers fans and that type of thing. And then I I think they do have Wisconsin in their heart and in their s in their being, and not so s I mean certainly Packers, they do, but I do think they try really hard to be extremely objective. I think they do very it's we can only be so objective, but I think they do due diligence with that. I really do.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, so true. That's a really interesting point you make there, Don, about like them being very Wisconsin-y. Um, because you know, uh, you know, I love Matt Schneidman's work, uh, huge fan, but you can tell he's not from Wisconsin, you know. You can tell he's from New England. Uh from my time, you know, six years living in Connecticut. It's like, yeah, he he is like the people I knew there, you know. He's a little bit, he's a little bit sarcastic, you know, he's a little acidic sometimes, um, uh, and very direct about things. Um, he's he's not here to like be polite, you know, and that's fine. None of what I'm saying is a criticism, to be clear. It's just kind of like balance with personality.

SPEAKER_00

That's why I love him.

SPEAKER_03

And I and I enjoy it. Yeah, I love it. Um, but yeah, you're right. Like he's he's not very Wisconsin at all, you know. Um now you gotta be curious like where other folks are from. Like, you know, uh your Ryan Woods and Thomas Silverstein's where where are they from? You know, how about uh gosh, who else? Some of the beat reporters. Um I bet like uh Jason Wilde's probably from Wisconsin. You think so?

SPEAKER_00

Oh gosh, that accent? Is that Jason? I'm thinking. Oh no, not Jason, not Jason. I'm thinking of um I'm thinking of um I wonder if he's Tom? No, not Tom. Who's uh gosh, it's not Tom, it's not Jason, it's not Matt, obviously. Um who's the other major beat reporter?

SPEAKER_03

Paul Brennan's got a good accent.

SPEAKER_00

It's not Paul. It's somebody who's like a really strong, like stronger than Spoffard's accent.

SPEAKER_03

Oh, you're talking about um about uh the bald guy. That you're talking about.

SPEAKER_00

Is it him? I I don't associate.

SPEAKER_03

He cannot possibly be from Wisconsin.

SPEAKER_00

No, there's another one that's just so okay. I'll get it for next. I'll get it for next um next time, folks. Next time, folks, you'll have my take on everyone's accents on the B. True North Packers fans says more sandwich talk, please. It made me think of yes, is it Pete? I think it's Pete.

SPEAKER_03

Pete Pete. He's got a ribbon accent, doesn't he? Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

Like a bit. And my accent, people have been noticing it more lately, because the more I speak with like my family or whatever, I come it's like comes back that accent.

SPEAKER_03

That's funny you say that because I was starting to notice it tonight, actually. Uh-huh. It's like it's kind of like it's creeping in a bit there tonight.

SPEAKER_00

Because I've been talking to everybody in Wisconsin this week. It's like, oh my god. And then I was talking to somebody today, I don't know who it was, and they're like, You're from Wisconsin, I love that accent. I can't remember who it was, but like, yeah. When I hang with my family, it really comes back. And this makes me think of Sandwich, our friend Sandwich. How is she?

SPEAKER_03

How is she? I don't know. Kind of lost track of her lately. So I'm not on social media a ton.

SPEAKER_00

I haven't at all practiced.

SPEAKER_03

We should get her on the show. Catch up with her. That'd be great.

SPEAKER_00

We should sandwich of her. Alright, Maddie, any final thoughts before we let our audience go for the day?

SPEAKER_03

No, don't I got nothing, I guess, except for just get out there. It's summertime.

SPEAKER_00

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_03

Slap on the sunscreen, get in the pool, you know.

SPEAKER_00

It's June.

SPEAKER_03

It's touch some freaking grass.

SPEAKER_00

And the thing that I love the most is like it's June. That means it's almost September.

SPEAKER_03

It's like do not speed us through the glory that is the summer. I know.

SPEAKER_00

I'm sorry. I'm not a big summer person because you know why. It's like always summer here, so whatever.

SPEAKER_03

Yeah, you're sick of it.

SPEAKER_00

I'm whatever. Like tourists go home.

SPEAKER_03

All right, I will bring her home. Here we go. Friends, we'd love to have a chance to interview you and shout you out. If you're a subscriber and a football fan, if you'd like to nominate someone to be a guest on our podcast, please let us know. Our DMs are open on all the social platforms. And folks, when you subscribe to our podcast, you help us to keep spreading the love in our community. And the best way to help this podcast grow is by sharing it with your friends and family.

SPEAKER_00

Yes, Maddie, that's right. Because we love you. We're so glad to know you, especially you in the chat.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. Yes.

SPEAKER_00

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